Speaker 1 (1)
Hi, Chantal. What did you think of the talk then?
Speaker 2 (2)
Hi Hugo. I thought it was good once I'd moved seats.
Speaker 1 (3)
Oh, were the people beside you chatting or something?
Speaker 2 (4)
It wasn't that. I went early so that I'd get a seat and not have to stand, but then this guy sat right in front of me and he was so tall.
Speaker 1 (5)
It's hard to see through people's heads, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (6)
Impossible. Anyway, to answer your question, I thought it was really interesting, especially what the speaker said about the job market.
Speaker 1 (7)
Me too. I mean, we know we're going into a really competitive field, so it's obvious that we may struggle to get work.
Speaker 2 (8)
That's right. And we know we can't all have that dream job.
Speaker 1 (9)
Yeah, but it looks like there's a whole range of.. areas of work that we hadn't even thought of, like fashion journalism, for instance.
Speaker 2 (10)
Yeah, I wasn't expecting so many career options.
Speaker 1 (11)
Mmm. Overall, she had quite a strong message, didn't she?
Speaker 2 (12)
She did. She kept saying things like, I know you all think this, but and then she'd tell us how it really is.
Speaker 1 (13)
Perhaps she thinks students are a bit narrow minded about the industry.
Speaker 2 (14)
It was a bit harsh though. We know it's a tough industry.
Speaker 1 (15)
Yeah. And we're only first years, after all. We've got a lot to learn.
Speaker 2 (16)
Exactly. Do you think our secondary school education should have been more career focused?
Speaker 1 (17)
Well, we had numerous talks on careers, which was good, but none of them were very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (18)
They could have asked more people like today's speaker to talk to us.
Speaker 2 (19)
I agree. We were told about lots of different careers just when we needed to be, but not by the experts who really know stuff.
Speaker 1 (20)
So did today's talk influence your thoughts on what career you'd like to take up in the future?
Speaker 2 (21)
Well, I promised myself that I'd go through this course and keep an open mind till the end.
Speaker 1 (22)
But I think it's better to pick an area of the industry now and then aim to get better and better at it.
Speaker 2 (23)
Well, I think we'll just have to differ on that issue.
Speaker 1 (24)
One thing's for certain though, from what she said, we'll be unpaid assistance in the industry for quite a long time.
Speaker 1 (25)
I'm prepared for that. Aren't you?
Speaker 2 (26)
Actually, I'm not going to accept that view.
Speaker 1 (27)
Really. But she knows it's the case, and everyone else says the same.
Speaker 2 (28)
That doesn't mean it has to be true for me.
Speaker 1 (29)
OK. Well, I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (30)
I thought the speaker's account of her first job was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (31)
Yeah, she admitted she was lucky to get work being a personal dresser for a musician.
Speaker 1 (32)
She didn't even apply for the job, and there she was getting paid to choose all his clothes.
Speaker 2 (33)
It must have felt amazing. Though she said all she was looking for back then was experience, not financial reward.
Speaker 1 (34)
And then he was so mean, telling her she was more interested in her own appearance than his.
Speaker 2 (35)
But she did realize he was right about that, which really made me think.
Speaker 2 (36)
I'm always considering my own clothes, but now I can see you should be focusing on your client.
Speaker 1 (37)
She obviously regretted losing the job.
Speaker 2 (38)
Well, as she said, she should have hidden her negative feelings about him, but she didn't.
Speaker 1 (39)
It was really brave the way she picked herself up and took that job in retail. Fancy working in a shop after that!
Speaker 2 (40)
Yeah, well, she recommended we all do it at some point.
Speaker 2 (41)
I guess as a designer you'd get to find out some useful information, like how big or small the average shopper is.
Speaker 1 (42)
I think that's an issue for manufacturers, not designers.
Speaker 1 (43)
However, it would be useful to know if there's a gap in the market - you know, an item that no one's stocking, but that consumers are looking for.
Speaker 2 (44)
Yeah, people don't give up searching.
Speaker 2 (45)
They also take things back to the store if they aren't, right?
Speaker 1 (46)
Yeah. Imagine you worked in an expensive shop and you found out the garments sold there were being returned because they.. fell apart in the wash.
Speaker 2 (47)
Yeah, it would be good to know that kind of thing.